Comments on: Chinese athletes (and managers) need thicker skin http://zhongnanhai.blogsome.com/2007/06/12/chinese-athletes-and-managers-need-thicker-skin/ Musings and Meditations from Red China Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:14:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: jie http://zhongnanhai.blogsome.com/2007/06/12/chinese-athletes-and-managers-need-thicker-skin/#comment-25 Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:00:58 +0100 http://zhongnanhai.blogsome.com/2007/06/12/chinese-athletes-and-managers-need-thicker-skin/#comment-25 I`m just curious,what the hell has made u guys think that You have known better "the facts of what is going on or has happened in the past"than the chinese did.funny thing is people keep talking like the chinese don`t know a damn about the tiian an men incident while they think they do and thus making them feel sooo damn obligated to reveal the horrible "truth" to those poor chinamen,it is just soo amuzing that how westerners r obsessed with it .I just can`t help but ask why,do u really even care?o,plz don`t gimme that"human rights"crap...since when u have really cared about the human rights?someone tried to make himself look fairy neutral and staying out of politics,but the truth is everything is about politics....and u can`t help geting ur narrowed nationalism or ur Christian fundamentalism involved in it. what u really don`t know about chinese people is they`ve been long good at "coming to terms with its sometimes brutal and controversial past."consider what chinese people have suffered in the past,what US govn`t is doing now these days is making 911 a GIANT joke....yeah,a brutal joke..what really gets me is how human brains process turning a naked lie into undeniable “truth”…. sometimes,I just wonder,why did they pick the Tian an men incident but not something else to accuse the chinese goven`t and evrytime they did this , they "kidnapped"chinese people`s sentiment acting like they really care about them"hey,I`m fighting for u poor people and trying to get u away from your monstrous govn`t and I deserve some credit for it!"why the hell do people sooo stubbornly believe that what they think is true is definetely the same case for some other people??.nowadays in china,I think both the people and government won`t dispute that the chinese government did do something inapproriate something awful, but after soo many years people just don`t wanna talk about it...why?becoz no one really knows what really happened at that time...but they all knew that.things were much more complicated than they had expected.it is still an unsealed deal,soo much remains to be explained…and yeah,of course we have the right to know .it`s always been the virtue of chinese people adimitting the past and learning from it..it`s just..it takes time to dig out the truth…which ,to the anti-communist or simply anti-chinese world, just serves as the perfect excuse to use for accusing the chinese govn`t coz it can`t explain what really happened…and unlike westerners,Chinese tend to keep their mouths shut when they know they don`t have enough to say……and that`s exactly why they get to pick on the chinese goven`t. I`m just curious,what the hell has made u guys think that You have known better “the facts of what is going on or has happened in the past”than the chinese did.funny thing is people keep talking like the chinese don`t know a damn about the tiian an men incident while they think they do and thus making them feel sooo damn obligated to reveal the horrible “truth” to those poor chinamen,it is just soo amuzing that how westerners r obsessed with it .I just can`t help but ask why,do u really even care?o,plz don`t gimme that”human rights”crap…since when u have really cared about the human rights?someone tried to make himself look fairy neutral and staying out of politics,but the truth is everything is about politics….and u can`t help geting ur narrowed nationalism or ur Christian fundamentalism involved in it.

what u really don`t know about chinese people is they`ve been long good at “coming to terms with its sometimes brutal and controversial past.”consider what chinese people have suffered in the past,what US govn`t is doing now these days is making 911 a GIANT joke….yeah,a brutal joke..what really gets me is how human brains process turning a naked lie into undeniable “truth”….

sometimes,I just wonder,why did they pick the Tian an men incident but not something else to accuse the chinese goven`t and evrytime they did this , they “kidnapped”chinese people`s sentiment acting like they really care about them”hey,I`m fighting for u poor people and trying to get u away from your monstrous govn`t and I deserve some credit for it!”why the hell do people sooo stubbornly believe that what they think is true is definetely the same case for some other people??.nowadays in china,I think both the people and government won`t dispute that the chinese government did do something inapproriate something awful, but after soo many years people just don`t wanna talk about it…why?becoz no one really knows what really happened at that time…but they all knew that.things were much more complicated than they had expected.it is still an unsealed deal,soo much remains to be explained…and yeah,of course we have the right to know .it`s always been the virtue of chinese people adimitting the past and learning from it..it`s just..it takes time to dig out the truth…which ,to the anti-communist or simply anti-chinese world, just serves as the perfect excuse to use for accusing the chinese govn`t coz it can`t explain what really happened…and unlike westerners,Chinese tend to keep their mouths shut when they know they don`t have enough to say……and that`s exactly why they get to pick on the chinese goven`t.

]]> by: Maureen http://zhongnanhai.blogsome.com/2007/06/12/chinese-athletes-and-managers-need-thicker-skin/#comment-24 Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:33:17 +0100 http://zhongnanhai.blogsome.com/2007/06/12/chinese-athletes-and-managers-need-thicker-skin/#comment-24 I think the sight of such open protest to the Chinese players was just a shock. China is still in the land of being respectful to ones govn't even if you disagree. Protests are not the norm there as they are in the U.S. In the U.S. one can say or do or act any way they want no matter how inappropriate and call it free expression and a right. These protests show up at sporting events which should be just that. Two teams seeing who can play a game the best. What is the point of bringing political statements into that? The team members can't change anything in China. The govn't in China is too in control. And as you've alluded to before, many Chinese don't even know the facts of what is going on or has happened in the past. So to see something such as this flag display probably confuses the heck out of them and given the training and education and mind control they've experienced all their lives would leave them as horrified as if we saw a picture of God with a stake through his heart at an event held in China. These displays on soil other than Chinese soil will not affect the Chinese govn't one little bit. The few team members from China exposed to this rant from the U.S. fans aren't going to go back to China and make it better. They are sports people and should be able to play without political interruption. I think the sight of such open protest to the Chinese players was just a shock. China is still in the land of being respectful to ones govn’t even if you disagree. Protests are not the norm there as they are in the U.S. In the U.S. one can say or do or act any way they want no matter how inappropriate and call it free expression and a right. These protests show up at sporting events which should be just that. Two teams seeing who can play a game the best. What is the point of bringing political statements into that? The team members can’t change anything in China. The govn’t in China is too in control. And as you’ve alluded to before, many Chinese don’t even know the facts of what is going on or has happened in the past. So to see something such as this flag display probably confuses the heck out of them and given the training and education and mind control they’ve experienced all their lives would leave them as horrified as if we saw a picture of God with a stake through his heart at an event held in China. These displays on soil other than Chinese soil will not affect the Chinese govn’t one little bit. The few team members from China exposed to this rant from the U.S. fans aren’t going to go back to China and make it better. They are sports people and should be able to play without political interruption.

]]> by: cc http://zhongnanhai.blogsome.com/2007/06/12/chinese-athletes-and-managers-need-thicker-skin/#comment-23 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:29:12 +0100 http://zhongnanhai.blogsome.com/2007/06/12/chinese-athletes-and-managers-need-thicker-skin/#comment-23 You have the right to shout Tibetan and Taiwan independence, I have to right to stop playing. What is acceptable fan chanting for you in the US is not necessarily (and has to be) acceptable to me. So, what is the fuss? You have the right to shout Tibetan and Taiwan independence, I have to right to stop playing. What is acceptable fan chanting for you in the US is not necessarily (and has to be) acceptable to me. So, what is the fuss?

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